Tuesday, December 21, 2010


Sold on 12/17/2010 - $200,900

Wow. What a ride for this welted chunk of excrement.

More than 1,000 days on the market and the bank finally approved a short sale at the price it should have been at all along.

Just look at this lesson in incompetence:

Dec 17, 2010Sold (MLS) (Closed)$200,900--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Jul 31, 2010Pending (Backup Offers Accepted)----Inactive CARETS #P701097
Jul 19, 2010Price Changed$199,900--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Jun 23, 2010Price Changed$219,900--Inactive CARETS #P701097
May 19, 2010Price Changed$225,000--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Mar 03, 2010Price Changed$250,000--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Dec 30, 2009Price Changed$289,000--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Dec 30, 2009Relisted (Active)----Inactive CARETS #P701097
Dec 03, 2009Pending----Inactive CARETS #P701097
Nov 12, 2009Price Changed$239,000--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Oct 30, 2009Relisted (Active)----Inactive CARETS #P701097
Sep 23, 2009Pending (Pending Sale)----Inactive CARETS #P701097
Sep 18, 2009Price Changed$249,000--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Sep 14, 2009Price Changed$270,000--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Aug 28, 2009Listed (Active)$319,900--Inactive CARETS #P701097
Aug 01, 2008Delisted*--Inactive CARETS #3
May 06, 2008Listed*--Inactive CARETS #3
May 06, 2008Delisted*--Inactive CARETS #2
Mar 30, 2008Listed*--Inactive CARETS #2
Mar 29, 2008Delisted*--Inactive CARETS #1
Feb 29, 2008Listed*--Inactive CARETS #1
May 25, 2004Sold (Public Records)$329,000--Public Records


In Saturday's post I mentioned that most Long Beach properties are selling for 2003 prices or lower, but that's in prime areas. In less desirable areas, like this one, the pricing is much closer to 2001.

Congratulations to the new owner for sticking it out for so long. Friends of mine just closed on a condo in Huntington Beach after TEN MONTHS spent wrangling with the bank. Because the bank was so slow to get off its ass, they missed out on the homebuyer tax credit and the record-low rates from the last few months.

But they, like this buyer, are paying less to own than it would cost to rent -- and that's cause for celebration.


The price was "$219,900" and changed to "$199,900"

$220 per square foot for an apartment just 1,000 feet from the sand. This is officially cheaper to own than rent -- even before the tax write-off.

But the bank has no intention of letting the property go for this bargain basement price. Because that would mean recognizing a horrific loss on the books.

So I expect this charade to go on and on and on...with a few price increases thrown in along the way to restart the process. It's been two-and-a-half years so far...I wouldn't be surprised to see this go on until 2012. As long as there are acronym-filled horseshit government programs left to exploit, this could go on indefinitely.


The price was "$250,000" and changed to "$225,000"

In case anyone is operating under the misguided belief that the banking system has stabilized and housing is poised for a big comeback, I want you to consider that this shitty apartment is still booked at full value on the lender's books -- despite the current asking price being$114,000 less than the 2004 appraised value.

As long as that bullshit is allowed by the government (and in fact actively encouraged by way of mark-to-fantasy FASB policies and various extend-and-pretend programs like HAMP, HAFA, etc.), it will take YEARS for this inventory to actually hit the market. Meaning, returning to true values (based on actual incomes and sizable down payments) will take ages.

I'm tired of waiting -- exhausted, really -- but I'm also no fool. If I could use Other People's Money, this would be a no-brainer. Buy now and walk away if things go south. But I have my own cold, hard cash on the line and as long as countless properties like this are still rotting on the MLS, the buy signal is a long way off.


The price was "$289,000" and changed to "$250,000"

Well that's one way to get buyers' attention! I guess now the question is whether the bank will actually let it go for nearly $100,000 shy of the original loan amount. I somehow doubt it. But maybe in light of the first-time homebuyer tax credit expiring, they're getting out while there's still some demand left. We'll see.

Sorry for the sporadic posts...I've been on the road all week.

Every time I travel I can't help but observe the local real estate situation. The last time I was in Miami was the summer of 2006, and as I drove around I remember marveling at the incredible number of construction cranes piercing the horizon. At the time I said to myself, "Who are these being built for? Is there that much demand for new housing or even rentals? How does all of this construction make sense?" From what I could tell, the completed towers seemed empty--why build more?

Anyhow, today the cranes are pretty much extinct but at night many of these new buildings were dark, reminiscent of the North Korea Towers in Irvine. Pretty crazy.

South Beach was still fun--it hasn't lost any of its swagger in this downturn.


Address: 1318 East 2ND St #9, 90802
Asking Price: $289,000
Purchase Price (2004): $329,000
Beds: 2
Baths: 1.75
Sq. Ft.: 909
$/Sq. Ft.: $318
Year Built: 1964
MLS#: P701097
On Redfin: 131 days
HOA: $156
Down Payment: $10,000 (FHA)
Income Requirement (4x income): $72,000
Monthly Nut: $1,700 (FHA)
Description: Sunny & bright, this lovely condo has tons of storage space, a spacious dining room and living room, a separate master bathroom AND A PRIVATE GARAGE with storage that is big enough for an SUV! The home has large rooms that make the entire condo bright and roomy. Located just 2 blocks from the beach, this is perfect as a second home, vacation property or a retreat to enjoy every day!

"perfect as a second home, vacation property or a retreat to enjoy every day"? Looks like this bathroom took a vacation to the 1960s:


And when was the last time you saw a white refrigerator?

Maybe I've just become accustomed to stainless fridges, but for some reason that outdated clunker is really jarring!

Pssst! Wanna see the secret to selling a tiny, dumpy apartment with original bathrooms in a shaky economy? Here you go:

December 30: The price was "$239,000" and changed to "$289,000"


This short selling grifter has been priced below $270,000 for the last 75 days (50 of which were spent begging for $239,000) with no luck, but for some insane reason decided what this listing really needed was a price jack to $289,000. Because there's nothing buyers love more than a good ol' fashioned cornholing.

Dec 30, 2009 - Price INCREASED $289,000
Dec 30, 2009 - Relisted
Dec 03, 2009 - Delisted
Nov 12, 2009 - Price Reduced
Oct 30, 2009 - Relisted
Sep 23, 2009 - Delisted
Sep 18, 2009 - Price Reduced $249,000
Sep 14, 2009 - Price Reduced $270,000
Aug 28, 2009 - Listed $319,900
Aug 01, 2008 - Delisted
May 06, 2008 - Listed
May 06, 2008 - Delisted
Mar 30, 2008 - Listed
Mar 29, 2008 - Delisted
Feb 29, 2008 - Listed
May 25, 2004 - Sold $329,000 ($270,000 puts it firmly in 2002 pricing--the true market value, judging by the failure to sell for $249,000 is likely 2000/2001)

What kind of sales strategy is that? To paraphrase a line from Tropic Thunder, When trying to sell a house, "everyone knows you never go full retard."

Because that's the only explanation for the current price. All the loanowner has to do is click on their own Redfin link to see that nearby properties are selling for nowhere near this amount:

Downtown: $243,000; $271 psft
Alamitos Beach: $225,000; $262 psft
90802: $249,000; $276 psft
Long Beach: $229,900; $256 psft

And here she is, demanding $311 per square! Based on what, honey?

Anyhow, the point of this post isn't about greed or stupidity, or the living hell of two shared walls, or the difficulties involved with short sales, or the insanity of sellers having negative equity after FIVE FUCKING YEARS OF OWNERSHIP yet simultaneously driving $45,000 luxury SUVs...

No. Although all are at play here, this post is really about pent-up foreclosures.

You see, this property is just two months shy of its two year (!) anniversary on the MLS. It's technically not "shadow inventory" because its been out in the open on the MLS, right? But given the lender's failure to approve a sale in 22 months, it has never actually been "for sale." Meaning it's a bank-owned property in denial.

A monster loss is guaranteed, it just hasn't been booked yet.

And after it inevitably goes back to the bank, it will come back on the market at a greatly reduced price (it seems that most times, once the loss has been realized banks just try to unload). However, REOs dumped on the market crush values, putting everyone else in the area (further) underwater and perpetuating the cycle. It makes perfect sense why lenders are intent on keeping these phantoms in real estate limbo for as long as they can.

And without a mechanism to force lenders to actually approve short sales and process foreclosures (read: recognize losses) instead of extending and pretending for eternity, the market will be absolutely surrounded by these phantom properties for years and years, with no opportunity to actually buy them.

If this seller were smart (ha!) she would have stopped paying ages ago and lived rent-free this entire time. If her lender isn't interested in selling short after two years, they certainly aren't keen on foreclosing.


  1. Dave in Alamitos BeachTuesday, December 21, 2010

    Oh come on, embrace the pink! ;-) It's kinda okay in a retro kitschy way but it does sort of limit the market to "unhappy hipsters" and well-adjusted gay guys. But really, there is no excuse for the shower door AND curtain combo that we've been seeing lately.

    As for the white refrigerator, there's nothing wrong with white, but that black "accent" stuff is what dates it.

    I guess I should be happy for the bank because in my opinion they still got a sale at a fair price, which is something they may look back at with fondness in the coming year.

  2. Welcome to the new normal in the LBC. This sort of thing will become much more common as time goes on. Sure it's a rollback to 2001 prices, but adjusting for 9 years of inflation we are probably looking at a 1999 rollback on a real basis, more or less where it should be if things hadn't gotten crazy. Hitting condos first, SFRs to come later (slowly).

  3. Hey El Bee, not sure if you're checking your blog through the holidays, but I am in the process of deciding on two properties......... both are ready to accept my offer and begin escrow.... I was wondering if I could shoot you the info, and get your feedback. If you don't have time, I understand.
    And I don't want to post them publicly YET, because I don't want any potential competition.

  4. Just so you know, I still very much reading your post's (rants) we have the same since of humor! I hope you keep it up...to many are letting there housing blogs go out of boredom or lack of a story! Yours is my favorite...keep it up!

  5. Mike,

    Send the links to reinthelbc [at] yahoo [dot] com. I'll definitely check them out. Exciting!

  6. Happy New Year to the enlightened!! BTW, 5576 East Vesuvian finally sold in Oct for 699K. DJ Dazzy Dwell will now need to DJ at Long Beach Quinceaneras to cover his losses. At 699K, that house is still overpriced and has sucked in another Dwell wannabee.

  7. Hi El Bee, if you've been busy, no worries.....

    Just wanted to give you the heads up that I sent a little recap of everything.

    Hope all is well. :-)

  8. Mike,

    I don't have the email. Did you send it to reinthelbc@yahoo?