Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Wanna Bet?--UPDATE II

Remember this thing originally posted last February? Well, the saga continues.



This roach motel has been on the market for roughly 550 days. I repeat, 550 DAYS! Good lord.

It's worth noting this short sale slumdog shit shack was originally listed in August of 2007 for $315,000. Hilarious. Your weed dealer deserves a Medal of Valor.

After that ridiculous wishing price, the seller began slowly cutting the price and spent the better part of a year-and-a-half chasing the market down. ALL THE WAY DOWN.


The current asking price of $149,000 represents a more than 50% price reduction. If by some mountaintop miracle this POS sold today, the loss to the lender would be well in excess of $100,000. If lenders are writing off 100k on 600-square-foot dumps like this, it's no wonder most of the financial system is insolvent! I mean, did they even look at the thing before lending out hundreds of thousands of subprime dollars?

And remember the undercutting neighbor who was asking $129,000 in August '08? Now he's aksing $89,000. Ouch!

It's obvious that this place is going back to the bank. Frankly, I'm shocked that it hasn't already. I'm guessing the only reason it's still a short sale is because the foreclosure/eviction process has become so labrinth-like that the bank is forced to allow deadbeats to live rent-free until they can complete the FC process (my bankruptcy attorney friend told me she has seen families staying in houses a year or longer after they stopped making payments. Filing BK and asking the foreclosing lender to provide the original paperwork can further forestall the process).

By the time the bank ultimately takes it back, they're going to be in even deeper trouble. That's because even if the price was cut in half, I'm still not sure it would sell (the neighbor can't get any love at 89k, after all). Honestly, could this sell at any price to an investor? Who would want to be a landlord in this 'hood?

One year ago I (correctly) predicted:

The willful ignorance of Long Beach sellers will get them through a few more months of insane pricing strategies but as inventory stacks up, sales decline, the Spring Bounce never materializes, the "Stimulus Plan" fails to make a dent, and the only people selling are those who chop prices significantly to meet the dismal economic realities, LB sellers will eventually give in to the same grim reality that their Phoenix brethren have painfully accepted.

I am going to make a prediction: This rat hole will not sell at $300,000, $250,000, or $200,000. In my estimation, this little gem won't so much as get a backup offer for anything more than $150,000. You may think that's a dramatic position, but I'll put my money where my mouth is: I'll put $1,000 on it. Any takers?


Obviously nobody took me up on the bet because the truth was plain to see. Even those whose livelihoods depend on proving me wrong knew I was correct.

But the interesting thing is that I was TOO OPTIMISTIC with my sub-$150,000 prediction. Things have changed dramatically during the past year and Long Beach has crashed much harder in certain areas than expected. It's pretty clear at this point that this place won't sell for anything above $140 per square foot. But is that prediction too optimistic as well?

Only time will provide the answer.

Tuesday, February 24, 2009

In The Year 2000...--UPDATE

I'll never understand some people. If you recall, back in August I profiled this property, which, at the time, had been rotting on the market for 132 days.



Things were actually looking pretty good for the seller because of an apparent willingness to cut the price aggressively.

Unfortunately, the aggressiveness stopped in August, and it resulted in an additional 200 days of wasted time. Pal, if you're waiting for this market to "turn around," you've just been provided with 331 reasons why that isn't going to happen.

This 109-year-old bungalow was apparently "Contingent" (which, per this example, is utterly meaningless until the sale is completed) but the deal fell through. So, after losing a month or two of crucial market time to escrow delays, the home was re-listed four days ago...AT THE SAME FRIGGING PRICE IT SPORTED IN FALL OF '08!





Worse yet, the housing market has completely passed him by while he was dicking around with this misguided "stick to my guns" strategy. In fact, looking at the asking prices of neighboring properties, the market passed this house by at transonic speeds, breaking the sound barrier with such force the seller couldn't hear the market screaming, "FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!"

To wit:


$199,000 521 Cerritos Ave
0.28 miles 2 bd / 1 ba 624 Sq. Ft.

$140,000 Undisclosed
0.37 miles 2 bd / 1 ba 704 Sq. Ft.

$149,000 1182 E 9th St
0.44 miles 2 bd / 1 ba 600 Sq. Ft.

$89,000 1032 brenner Pl
0.45 miles 2 bd / 1 ba 560 Sq. Ft.

$140,000 1021 Orange Ave
0.54 miles 2 bd / 1 ba 804 Sq. Ft.

$99,900 620 Lime Ave
0.6 miles 2 bd / 1 ba 836 Sq. Ft.

Dude, what on earth are you doing?! You're only undercutting one house in the vicinity (by $100) and he's been molting on the market for 100+ days!

Wake up, buddy. Slap a price tag of $200,000 on it TONIGHT and keep cutting by $10,000 every two weeks until it sells. I know it's difficult to accept that's what it will take, but if you keep this up you'll be looking at even more dreadful comps a year from now. I mean, how much longer are you willing to shell out that $2,500+ monthly payment to "own" before you realize you could rent the next door neighbor's house for half that?

I'm sorry you got caught up in the housing mania and bought this place at the peak for $442,000. I'm sure you had your reasons, and I'm sure you got some terrible advice from those who stood to profit greatly from said advice. And but for the grace of God go I.

HOWEVER, it's time to accept responsibility for your decisions. You made a terrible mistake and you are going to be financially ruined, but you're going to be financially ruined in America. You have every opportunity in the world to pick yourself up and start all over again. Maybe you'll even be a homeowner again one day.

But you're two months shy of a year on the market. It's time to accept reality and move on with your life.

Thursday, February 19, 2009

Elephantine Vanity and Greed

Well there's an interesting sales technique: Playing hard to get!

Feb 17, 2009 Relisted -- -- Oodle #876297025
Feb 04, 2009 Off Redfin -- -- Oodle #876297025
Jan 18, 2009 Relisted -- -- Oodle #876297025
Jan 04, 2009 Off Redfin -- -- Oodle #876297025
Dec 17, 2008 Relisted -- -- Oodle #876297025
Dec 05, 2008 Off Redfin -- -- Oodle #876297025
Nov 15, 2008 Relisted -- -- Oodle #876297025
Nov 13, 2008 Off Redfin * -- Inactive Oodle #2
Nov 11, 2008 Off Redfin -- -- Oodle #876297025
Nov 11, 2008 Listed * -- Inactive Oodle #2
Oct 27, 2008 Relisted -- -- Oodle #876297025
Oct 26, 2008 Off Redfin -- -- Oodle #876297025
Oct 08, 2008 Price Changed $365,000 -- Oodle #876297025
Aug 06, 2008 Off Redfin * -- Inactive Oodle #1
Aug 05, 2008 Listed * -- Inactive Oodle #1
Jul 21, 2008 Price Changed $369,900 -- Oodle #876297025
Jun 03, 2008 Relisted -- -- Oodle #876297025
Jun 02, 2008 Off Redfin -- -- Oodle #876297025
Apr 23, 2008 Listed $375,000 -- Oodle #876297025


WTF is going on here?

And after 302 days of bullshit, the price has only come down a measly 10 grand? A pathetic 2.75% cut in 10 freaking months?! This has to be a joke, right?

For all the crap I give to lazy realtors on this site, I have to say this For Sale by Owner listing makes a pretty good case for the services listing agents provide. A realtor would represent the best chance of some sense being slapped into this guy.


Address: 1418 E Florida St #1, 90802
Asking Price: $365,000
Year Built: 1981
Size: 2 beds, 2 baths, 964 square feet
$/Sq. Ft.: $379
HOA Fee: $150
Purchase price: N/A
Purchase date: N/A
MLS#: 876297025
On Redfin/Owners.com: 302 days
Down Payment: $73,000
Monthly Payment: $2,100
Income Requirement: $104,000
Description: Walking distance to Downtown Long Beach and Alamitos Beach area. Newly upgraded kitchen and bar area! Bamboo floors added on the main level with carpet in the bedrooms. Vaulted ceilings in bedrooms. Master bedroom has oversized window providing natural light. Upgraded master bath with tile flooring. Tankless water heater new as of 2006 provides endless hot water. All stainless steel appliances included!






This is a tidy little place, but anybody who either 1) Reads the Long Beach Housing Blog, or 2) Has a pair of working eyes, can figure out this tremendously tiny townhome is incredibly overpriced. But just how overpriced?

Here's all you need to know: Income Requirement: $104,000

Sorry, Charlie. Not in this neighborhood.

Other than this dumbshit at the Diplomat (skewered here), this is the highest asking price in the area by a long shot:

$289,999 1449 3rd St #303
0.05 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 858 Sq. Ft.

$229,900 1449 E 3rd St #204
0.05 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 810 Sq. Ft.

$299,900 1515 E Appleton St #304
0.13 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 780 Sq. Ft.

$279,900 1625 E Appleton St Unit 2a
0.18 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 987 Sq. Ft.

$250,000 1187 E 3rd St #207
0.18 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 1,041 Sq. Ft.

$269,000 1187 E 3rd St #311
0.18 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 1,039 Sq. Ft.

And let's not forget the competition in the same building, undercutting Count Walter VonWishfulthinking here by nearly $100,000:

$275,000 1418 E Florida St #3
0 miles 2 bd / 2 ba 964 Sq. Ft.

Good luck with your Wishing Price, pal!

Who knows what this guy is thinking. Running up and down those three flights of stairs must be reducing the amount of oxygen to his brain. Oh well, just another day of greed and delusion in the LBC.

I'm off to hit the slopes in Park City with some close friends, so no updates until next week. On that note, have a great weekend and as sappy as it may sound, I leave you with a quote from author Garrison Keillor:

"Even in a time of elephantine vanity and greed, one never has to look far to see the campfires of gentle people."

Sunday, February 15, 2009

Psst...Time to Wake Up, Sleepy Head

Well look who just woke up from their nap!

After 220 days on the market with absolutely no interest, this seller finally decided to downwardly adjust their ridiculous asking price of $325,000 to $215,000.



Address: 445 W 6th St #305, 90802
Asking Price: $215,000
Year Built: 1988
Size: 2 beds, 2 baths, 865 sq. ft.
$/Sq. Ft.: $249
HOA Fee: $235 (they didn't list it, I had to research it on my own--GREAT SALES TECHNIQUE!)
Purchase price: $78,000
Purchase date: 2/2002
MLS#: S539482
On Redfin: 221 days
Down Payment: $43,000
Monthly Payment: $1,300
Income Requirement: $61,000
Description: Super Clean condo, Very Well Maintained! 2 bedrooms & 2 bathrooms. Spacious living room with fireplace. Breakfast bar in the kitchen. Nice balcony with a great view of the city lights. Great community. Perfect for first time buyers! Submit all offers.

221 days and you only include one photo? And it's a fuzzy exterior shot taken from across the street? Dude, are you sure you're actually trying to sell this place?

Because your previous asking price of $325,000 sure didn't indicate a true desire to offload this property either.

Man, a $110,000 discount? That right there my friends is the very definition of capitulation. The question is: Will the price cut be enough to move this tiny apartment?

In a word, no.

Despite the fact that it is almost at rental parity and has reasonable income and down payment requirements, $215,000 isn't going to cut it. It's a matter of competition.

Check out these nearby 2 bed/2baths:

645 Chestnut - $185,000

535 Magnolia - $179,900

403 W 7th - $184,000

And last but not least, we have some friendly in-building competition:

445 W 6th - $180,000

This tidy little neighboring unit is undercutting Sleepy McOblivious here by 35 grand! Our seller, who I imagine is quite proud of himself for his ingenious plan to cut the price and "start a bidding war" is in for another disastrous 221 days unless he knocks off 40 Large TONIGHT.

The good news is that even if he ends up chasing the market down all the way to the bottom, he's not going to lose a dime (assuming he didn't refinance and HELOC the thing to death). He bought in 2002, before the bubble really got going in earnest, for $78,000. The total monthly nut is under $700! Dude, why are you even bothering to sell--especially in this ever-declining environment?

Actually, I'm starting to suspect he refinanced and HELOCed the thing to death.

Also, did you notice how many units are in this complex? 400! Good lord. Is that even possible?

Unless buying is substantially cheaper than renting, I can't think of one compelling reason to buy one of these apartments.

And after 200+ days on the market, it looks like nobody else can either.

Thursday, February 12, 2009